Which football managers have gone through acrimonious derby divisions? | Football
“The appointment of former Liverpool manager Rafa Benítez to Everton was surprising. Is there a more mind-boggling example of a manager going through an acrimonious derby (maybe even straight)?” George Jones asks.
Andy Grace is a Southampton fan who never forgets. “Benítez, formerly Liverpool now Everton?” Not even close. The derbies are no more acrimonious than the one on the south coast. Harry redknapp goes directly from Portsmouth to Southampton and back to (his spiritual home) Portsmouth surely takes a few hits.
Chris Richardson shines a light on the West Midlands. “Ron Saunders took Aston Villa to their first (and most recent) premier title in 71 years during the 1980-81 season. After leading Villa to the European Cup quarter-finals the following year, he resigned due to a contract dispute and moved 3.5 miles from Birmingham City (also then in Division One). Birmingham’s first home game after Saunders arrived was a 1-0 loss to Villa in which much of the song from the opposition fans (to the tune of Bread of Heaven) was “Ron Saunders, Ron Saunders, you must be [eff]ing mad ‘. This was perhaps justified because Saunders assistant Tony Barton won the European Cup with the Villa team created by Saunders, while Birmingham were quickly relegated. Birmingham got a promotion the following season, but ditched them for ever-shrinking rivals West Brom who were also immediately relegated.
The North London Derby can provide us with some examples of derby managers crossing the dividing line. “A good is Arsenal mainstay Terry Neill,” writes Mitchell Sandler. “After leaving Highbury in 1970 to become player-manager at Hull, he impressed enough to become Bill Nicholson’s successor at Spurs in 1974. Perhaps inevitably, after Bertie Mee’s retirement two years later, he was in Topped a very short list when the Arsenal board looked for a replacement and he jumped at the chance to take the Gunners job. Meanwhile, Ed Mortimer nominates George Graham. “Former player and Arsenal manager, he took over from Tottenham [via Leeds]. Apparently, Spurs even won silverware, although this is a technical detail, as trophies won with a Gooner in charge clearly cannot be counted. Oh, hold on, Ed.
Radomir Antić managed Real Madrid, Atlético Madrid and Barcelona but never moved directly between these clubs and Ernest Mangnall, the owner of a glorious mustache, crossed the Manchester derby gap in 1912. He started a 12-year stint at City after spending nine years at United, where he won two league titles and an FA Cup. He didn’t win anything at City.
Qualify to play for many national teams
“Which player (active or retired) has been eligible to play for the greatest number of different national teams?” “ asks Ben Janeson. “And apart from Alfredo Di Stéfano, did any players play for three different national teams (not counting cases like USSR / Russia or Yugoslavia / Serbia etc)? “
Let’s start with the first part. “Adnan Januzaj was qualified to play for six different national teams (Belgium, Albania, Kosovo, Serbia, Turkey and Croatia), but not England, despite what was said at the time,” offers Jerry Higgins, placing the bar so high that it could take an extraordinary person to beat it.
“Born on a refugee raft, Rio Mavuba was eligible for everyone,” writes Steve Hyde, with perfect timing. Mavuba was born in international waters off the coast of West Africa as he fled the civil war in Angola en route to France, where he settled and earned 13 caps for Blues after turning down the chance to play for DR Congo. And while it is true that Mavuba could, theoretically, have represented any nation, Fifa’s eligibility rules state that a stateless person must have lived in the country he hopes to represent for at least five years and demonstrate that the move to the territory of the association was not for the purpose of participating for its representative teams. So in practical terms, a stateless person is not eligible for any nation until he has settled somewhere for a certain period of time.
As for the second element, Milton offers a near accident to Daniel Alberto Brailovsky, who played for the Uruguayan U-20, unofficial matches for Argentina and then 18 times for Israel, scoring three goals. But David Walker has another renowned striker to rival Di Stéfano: “László Kubala, the famous Barcelona center-forward, has played for Czechoslovakia, his native Hungary and Spain. Like Stefano, although he played for three different countries, he has never participated in the finals of a World Cup or a European Championship. Both players were part of the Spanish squad for the 1962 World Cup finals in Chile, but, due to injury, neither of them appeared in a match.
Win big with a nation you’ve never played club football in
“Despite his victory at Euro 2020 with Italy, Marco Verratti has never played a Serie A match. Has anyone else won a major international tournament with their national team while he never played a high level match in this country? Dan Almond asks.
“It happened the day before with a player of less stature than Verratti,” wrote Thomas Wendt, clearly preparing for something. “A little-known player called Lionel Messi won the Copa América, although he never played a club game in Argentina. In the same team there was also Emiliano Martínez from Aston Villa, who did never played a top-level match in Argentina, having been signed by Arsenal as a young player.
“Paul Pogba never played a game in France but won the World Cup with them. He was signed by Manchester United from La Havre as a player for the youth squad. And Antoine Griezmann shared the same glory although he had never played a senior match in France, he was signed by Real Sociedad (from Mâcon in the French sixth division) at the age of 14.
“I have been wondering for a while what I should call a future son to give him the best chance for success in professional football,” he said. wrote Nick Pepper, in August 2010. “So my question is, what is the most successful first and last name in football in terms of trophies and titles won?” “
“While I’m inclined to say that, among the English at least, Robert – abbreviated as Bob (by) – must be headlining (having achieved World Cup success with Charlton and Moore, and managerial achievements exceptional for Paisley and Robson), I “have no proof of that,” wrote Robert D Marriott. “The most successful English player in terms of trophies won was Phil Neal, who won four European Cups, one UEFA Cup, eight league titles, four League Cups, one European Super Cup, five Charity Shields and a, uh, Sherpa Van Trophy [while managing Bolton]. And no end of finalist medals. Plus, his last name can be used as well, so I would expect a Phillip George Neal Pepper to play for England in around 20 years.
Can you help?
“We all know footballers who have played cricket, but have they ever participated in the Games? Harvey Maybe asks, which probably means in other sports.
“With Rogelio Funes Mori making his debut for Mexico this week, does that make him and his brother Ramiro the first identical twins to play for different national teams? Asks Logan Casey.